Norbert - New Member from Spain

Discussion in 'Newbies' started by Norberto, May 1, 2018.

  1. Norberto

    Norberto New Member

    Hello there...
    I travelled to see the car, seem new excpt a scrarch on the body, over the rear left wheel.
    Besides that it seemed well, not new, but yeah, after almost 20 years on its back and having had a garage to sleep every night and sunny day, it did look QUITE new.
    Now, the guy I met had come to mmetdriving and the engine was already BRM'd up (lol) and warm so before I got carried away driving it and getting itchy wallets I asked him to open the bonet to have a look at BRM's underwear.... dissappointingly, he was wetting himself...its cooling system was leaking somewhere but the tarmack. So obviously it was being fed into one or more cylinders and it didn't have a stable tic-over due to that. The guy didn't expect this to happen and what gave his game away was that he even kept offering me to have another look at it and drive it... LOL.... I said thank you and cleared off back home... 700 kms back south, by the way. I mean this guy is trying to con someone I guess, but not me. Despite this, I tried to renegotiate pushing fairly, including a "normal" budget for head gasket reapir plus 100€ on top to save any unexpected occurrence and 500€ to have the car taken by truck to where I live, which all inall added up to just over 1000 € off its initial price but the guy didn't give in, for the moment and said he wanted to think about it. I didn't know what to think about this guy, if he was either an honest ignorant who refills his BRM's refrig circuit every so often and just keeps on going or if he was a con artist..Some details and things he said induce me to think he's the latter. WTF (lol again, I mean.. why Cry Out Loud if you can Laugh)
    A pity that these K engines from Rover have such a high head gasket incidence... you would have thought Rover would have reported and called some in to repair, before it closed down. Well there you are.
    Nevertheless, I'm still quite keen in owning a BRM so if you hear about one in reasonable shape , even with gasket problem, I miight be in the mood of giving my fragile wallet a crack of magic tricks.
    Just felt you'd like to read this story... There's more anecdotes to it which are quite entertaining and there's another anecdote of me having actually driven a BRM a month ago which is quite unique because when I opened the bonet to have a visual check on it and felt the engine was warm from having been driven minutes before I arrived, I pulled out the oil stick to check the level beofre driving and, after having tried twice and even threee times, even after having added 1 litre of new oil left over from a can, the stick was still dry...OMG I thought... I guess you can imagine anyone's face... But I drove it...
    I guess , yeh, it was a face changing story that one. I'll try to build up some motivation these days and see if I can put it together to have a group laugh.
    Regards to all
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2018
  2. BRMFUN

    BRMFUN Fun in a BRuM Moderator

    Sounds like an interesting event :laugh:
     
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  3. Roverlike

    Roverlike Garvin in Disguise Moderator

    Interesting story to read that is for sure and thank you for that.

    I would just like to add one remark to K-series engine. These engines are in no sense different to any other engines from same age. If you treat these engines with due care and service them within intervals defined by factory they will last without any problems. Even today you have k-series engines with factory fitted head gasket, which are used as daily car.
    What happenes is when owners do not car about the car and abuse it without servicing when needed then you have problems with coolant leaking, engines overheating and head gasket problems.
    Living in this part of europe I've had seen many k-series 1.8 vvc engines from Rover 200vi which come from Italy where cars were abused without any care for them, driven without service until they last and after that just dumped. So if you want to do something with such engines you would need to do a oot of work just to save the engine.
    One of such engines was mounted into Rover 100 by my mechanic, and what a beast he created by that...
     
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  4. garythesnail

    garythesnail Drives a real bubble.

    Nicely put.

    Read a few trackday stories over the years and it seems that VVC Metros are hilarious.
     
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  5. GT-

    GT- Urban Legend

    ...and almost the only kind of Metro you can buy these days!

    That, or the non VVCs are bought by people to convert them.

    I wonder how many BRMs have been lost to that cause?
     
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  6. Hamness

    Hamness Hoodie checker Moderator

    The latest RS Focus already has a name for blowing HG and that on a brand new engine.
     
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  7. Fast Alan

    Fast Alan Mr September Staff Member

    More of a gearbox issue for that really,engines are in plentiful supply.
     
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  8. Norberto

    Norberto New Member

    Thank you all for your replies and support. As I just posted on another thread, I came across a Rover 620ti in great nick and just HAD to buy it. Along these days I've been thinking about the different possibilities there are of changing the whole engine and gearbox from a Rover 2 litre 16valve turbo intercooler 200bhp 20T4 engine and squeezing it into a BRM... Seeing that in the event of buying any BRM will most likely mean fixing head gasket and whatever surprise may be awaiting to be discovered, anyway... perhaps it isn't a too crazy idea to swap ...
    Has anyone heard of this being done to a BRM or similar?
    Thanks and regards to all!
     
  9. BRMFUN

    BRMFUN Fun in a BRuM Moderator

    You will be fixing the T series gasket as well :laugh:
     
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  10. WonderSheep

    WonderSheep Well-Known Member

    Yes, I had a T16 BRM. My advice is, if want the cheapest option, then buy the car that's already wrapped around the engine you want :)

    T-Series doesn't suffer HGF, it suffers from a oil weep at the rear of the block that's corrected by using the Klinger Head Gasket.
     
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  11. Norberto

    Norberto New Member

    Do BRMs come with a T16 engine too?
    What other models have it? is it the same as the ZRs 160bhp version?
    Tell me more, what are its specs?, When you can... I'm curious
    Thanks
     
  12. Norberto

    Norberto New Member

    Plus the other inconveniences mentioned about an overweight engine... it's a no go...
     
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  13. Roverlike

    Roverlike Garvin in Disguise Moderator

    Only engine in BRM when they left factory was 1.8 VVC engine. No T16, no 160 or similar. That is the beauty of BRM.
    I have Rover 600 but Honda engined 131 bhp.
    Have to say it breaks my heart each time R600 is trashed only because of its 200 bhp engine.
    From my point of view, leave T16 to R600 and use 1.8 VVC in BRM. If you want 160bhp take ZR or TF.
     
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  14. BRMFUN

    BRMFUN Fun in a BRuM Moderator

    I will add the T series gasket does not fail but having owned a T series turbo I did not find a gasket that stopped the constant oil leaks many said they did.

    However I got quiet good at changing them :laugh:
     
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  15. GT-

    GT- Urban Legend

    Wise words. Its difficult enough for most DIY jobs or even professional garages to repair back to factory standard, let alone when trying to change the spec.

    T16's I would agree are best suited in the R8 200 and the R600 (and R800) and if looking at the 160 VVC, then I would ask, why not the ZR as it's already available pre packaged, set up, officially maintained and essentially the same chassis. Seats are more supportive, too! :D

    There's enough rust to correct on most BRMs now to keep the wallet occupied if that is what you're after :laugh:
     
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  16. GT-

    GT- Urban Legend

    You could always do a KV6 conversation with a ZR... it's been done before, with varying degrees of sucess.

    But then even the TF have been KV6 converted in the past! :laugh:
     
  17. Norberto

    Norberto New Member

    How would one know which gasket to buy for both BRMs K18 and 620ti 20T4 gasket from Klinger..? are thredifferent tipes? which is the most recommended?
    And also another question here...ABout timing belts, which is the best brand of them for both or are they all just the same?
    and (taking breath...) is there any timing chain conversion kit available that's worth trying?... so curious
     
  18. Norberto

    Norberto New Member

    Do the T engines also lose their gaskets?
     
  19. GT-

    GT- Urban Legend

    Timing chains are not necessarily better, they are equally prone to slippage and failings :)
     
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  20. WonderSheep

    WonderSheep Well-Known Member

    Forget about T-Series, unless you're willing to spend a long time collecting parts. It's not just engine, it's subframes, ancillaries, driveshafts, ECU, wiring. All different and most of it you cannot take from a 620.

    Buy a BRM for what it is and put up with the k-series 'features' or buy something else.
     
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